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Onion at 21:01, 22 July 2026

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	No more leeching off of speedrunner docs, time for some original research.		No more leeching off of speedrunner docs, time for some original research.
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		+	Research currently on hold until I get a bit farther into the game, and can actually collect data easily.

	I'll be assuming the basic formulas and mechanics are the same as the later games (barring things like direction and nonexistent stats, of course), and re-evaluate if I see anything to contradict that. A gamefaqs walkthrough[https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/995177-hyperdimension-neptunia/faqs/62213] claims shares also affect turn order, we'll see.		I'll be assuming the basic formulas and mechanics are the same as the later games (barring things like direction and nonexistent stats, of course), and re-evaluate if I see anything to contradict that. A gamefaqs walkthrough[https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/995177-hyperdimension-neptunia/faqs/62213] claims shares also affect turn order, we'll see.

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 === Defense ===

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	== Difficulty ==		== Difficulty ==
	This game has difficulty settings! Higher difficulties make both you and enemies deal more damage. The swing appears to be +/- 20% for enemies. Neptune deals +/-15% more damage, while Compa deals +/-10%. Weird. This means I have to test on normal. Unfortunate, but oh well.		This game has difficulty settings! Higher difficulties make both you and enemies deal more damage. The swing appears to be +/- 20% for enemies. Neptune deals +/-15% more damage, while Compa deals +/-10%. Weird. This means I have to test on normal. Unfortunate, but oh well.
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		+	Considered that difficulty applies a constant multiplier to just the attack value, but that's not it either - the modifiers are way off. How do you work, gameplay option?

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	== Difficulty ==		== Difficulty ==
−	This game has difficulty settings! Higher difficulties make both you and enemies deal more damage. The swing appears to be +/- 20% for enemies. Neptune deals +/-15% more damage, while Compa deals +/-10%. Weird.	+	This game has difficulty settings! Higher difficulties make both you and enemies deal more damage. The swing appears to be +/- 20% for enemies. Neptune deals +/-15% more damage, while Compa deals +/-10%. Weird. This means I have to test on normal. Unfortunate, but oh well.

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 Damage: <math>AV=\frac{Attack}{50};Damage=(AV-DV)\cdot Power</math>
 == In the beninging ==
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 Assuming the damage formula is the same, we can calculate defense multiplier*power and attack*power (the power factor is because we don't know the dogoo's stats or what attack it's using). defense mult*power ~ 1/6. attack*mult*power ~ 200. This is not useful yet, but probably will be eventually.

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		+	=== Defense ===
		+	Nep is taking 80~82 through 710 defense (average 80.8)
		+	Compa is taking 87~90 through 650 defense (average 89)
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		+	Assuming the damage formula is the same, we can calculate defense multiplierpower and attackpower (the power factor is because we don't know the dogoo's stats or what attack it's using). defense multpower ~ 1/6. attackmult*power ~ 200. This is not useful yet, but probably will be eventually.

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 ! scope="col" |460
 |-
-|20
+! scope="row" |20
 |80
 |104
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 |-
-|25
+! scope="row" |25
 |100
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	Confirmation (ish): power is a post multiplier; damage is (AV - DV) * power. AV is attack stat divided by 50. Dogoos have a DV of 3		Confirmation (ish): power is a post multiplier; damage is (AV - DV) * power. AV is attack stat divided by 50. Dogoos have a DV of 3
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		+	With this in mind, the damage values should be:
		+	{\| class="article-table" style="width: 600px;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1" border="1"
		+	\|-
		+	! scope="col" \|Power\Attack
		+	! scope="col" \|350
		+	! scope="col" \|410
		+	! scope="col" \|440
		+	! scope="col" \|460
		+	\|-
		+	\|20
		+	\|80
		+	\|104
		+	\|116
		+	\|124
		+	\|-
		+	\|25
		+	\|100
		+	\|130
		+	\|145
		+	\|155
		+	\|}

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 - Magical defense
 - Elemental resistances (water/earth/fire/air)
 == Findings so far ==
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 AP: <math>AP=60+Level\cdot4</math>
 == In the beninging ==
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 == conquest time ==
 [[File:Smol_dogoo.png|thumb|Our target]]
-The tutorial battle is against two dogoos, letting me do some data collection; I'm assuming they have the same pdef and mdef, because the damage numbers do line up that way, and because it makes my life easier
+The tutorial battle is against two dogoos, letting me do some data collection; I am ignoring hitcount for now, because whatever effect it has, it is almost certainly too small to matter at this point. I am also ignoring shares, because it's probably completely irrelevant again.

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 Yes, I autopiloted to markdown syntax. No, I'm not going to fix it. Fuck you.
 Base stats ("status"):
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 - Elemental resistances (water/earth/fire/air)
-Nepsis
+== Findings so far ==
 {| class="article-table" style="width: 600px;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1" border="1"
 |-
 ! scope="col" |Lvl
 ! scope="col" |Str
 ! scope="col" |Vit
 ! scope="col" |Agi
 ! scope="col" |Lck
 ! scope="col" |HP
 ! scope="col" |AP
 ! scope="col" |E.R
 |-
 |1
 |40
 |30
 |35
-|35
+|410
 |35
 |35
 |1200
 |64
 |0/0/0/0
 |-
 |1
 |20
 |20
 |28
 |30
 |1000
 |64
 |0/0/0/0
 |}
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 Seems to hold across stats. At this point, param = 200 + 6 * stat
-AP is purely level-based iirc
+AP is purely level-based iirc (60 + 4*level?)
 HP... I'm guessing is an innate stat? If not, current formula would be (40*(vit+men)+1000)/3, which is weird
-Going in with nep on final params: 1550/460/410/710/710
+Params after equipment (HP/PA/MA/PD/MD):
-Going in with com on final params: 1300/350/440/650/690
+== conquest time ==